Mm.

Yes, my births created who I was and, and helped to give me the foundation for the work that I did, but it was insufficient, and it was Cole's birth with my friend Sheila that really launched me into this space.

And then the reality of it is, is once you've been at 300, 600, 6- 750 births, you start to see all the surprises that can happen in birth.

You start to see loss.

You see hemorrhages.

You see, um, clots.

You see all kinds of things.

Yeah, tell us about that.