Guys, what do you think? What are some of the pearls that you've learned along the way from your surgical mentors?

Well, that's a really great question.

And if you look at kind of the timelines, we were talking about this before we started recording here.

You know, Steve finished residency at UCLA in 92.

I finished in 2000, so eight years Delta.

For me to you, Pradeep, you finished in 09, so that's nine years.

And then Esan was four years later in 13.

So who taught you how to interact with industry? What are the lessons you've learned in industry? And how do you recommend our audience interact more with industry? Let's start with Uday.

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lot of the initial stuff for Horizon Surgical was actually done at UCLA, with UCLA Engineering.

And so I just kind of right place at the right time, which kind of worked out very well.

And the beauty there, so I actually have a financial disclosure.

I do a lot with Horizon.

I personally invested money in the company.

But I think it's really going to be the future.

And it prevents that.

Uh, and, and, and I suppose managing that patient expectation when they walk in, in through your room, uh, how do you-- what are the kind of red flags you look out for for maybe a patient you're not so sure about?

Well, I think the most important thing is just make sure their expectations are in line with reality, and every so often I'll have to tell a patient I'm not the surgeon for you.

And they're very surprised, like, "Why?" And I say, "Well, I know the limitations of surgery, and I'm very confident that the surgery is not gonna give you the results that you're expecting.

So I can't make the surgery skinny, but we're already very close to the top there.

I got to reset your expectations, right? As long as my results are better than the expectations, you're happy.

But if you have some unusual situation where your expectations are ridiculous, I'll often joke, I'll tell a patient, Beverly Hills, lots of plastic surgery, right? Lots of plastic surgery.

I say, "Madam, you're, you're 70 years old and you've had a beautiful face.

You've got their back.