Do you get involved in the stakeholder process in PJM?

Tangentially, I do.

It is extremely resource intensive to participate in an RTO stakeholder process.

So I rely on reports from other consumer and public interest allies because Everyone is busy.

I'm not trying to make myself sound like I'm busy or important, but I just don't have the time or resources to spend in hours and days and weeks of stakeholder meetings in just one RTO.

And I think what you're seeing is that the construct of the RTOs, and remember, you have to go back to December of 1999 with Order 2000, where FERC explicitly said in Order 2000 that one of the main priorities was, of setting up these RTOs was to facilitate lighter-handed regulation, right? It wasn't just about deregulation of power markets.

It was about deregulation of oversight that FERC was outsourcing significant Federal Power Act authorities and responsibilities to the RTOs.

I mean, NextEra has just got a rap sheet down there in Florida, thanks to the Public Policy Institute shedding a light on it, that's just absolutely jaw-dropping.

And there is one out there, right? Ro Khanna and Senator Sheldon Whitehouse have offered one up, but I don't notice Trump taking it up.

Right.

So so there's no question that oil companies are making record profits and Americans are struggling with high energy burdens.

And it's not just gasoline, but utility costs and literally every policy that the administration pursues makes the matter worse.

Right.

So on utility affordability, Trump is forcing consumers to bail out the most expensive and inefficient coal power plants in the country.

His war of choice against Iran have upended global energy markets, resulting in sharply higher prices here at home.

in a pay-to-play scheme, which they were perfectly happy to pony up money for his 2024 reelection.

But not, not as overt.

But at the state level, Ralph, we are seeing huge pushback, and this is why the Trump administration last year publicly pushed and tried to enact into law a 10-year moratorium on any state law regarding artificial intelligence.Because the Trump administration, aligned with Big Tech, is trying to stop states from regulating artificial intelligence content to protect kids from predatory practices, and to adequately regulate the energy and resource uses for data centers.

So Trump and Big Tech are trying to spin a tale that the AI revolution is inevitable, and there's nothing to do to fight it.

But what we're seeing at the ground level, Ralph, is bipartisan outrage at this vision that none of us consented to and that none of us want.

And my fear is that the Democratic Party, which historically has been aligned with Big Tech and relied upon Big Tech to finance their campaigns, some corporate Dems are panicking and seeking to try and accommodate Big Tech to try and pry them from Trump and the Republicans.

And so I think the other civil war that's going on here is within the Democratic Party, is, is the Democratic Party gonna listen to the people, to the base, who say, "We do not want this draconian, all-encompassing, controlling vision of artificial intelligence and a data center in every neighborhood," or are they gonna go with what Big Tech and their trillions of dollars want? And I think what we're seeing right now, Ralph, is huge, sustained, and well-organized opposition in deep red, deep blue districts.

It really doesn't matter.

So the question is, are these data centers ever gonna run out of data, or are they, in effect, in a whirlwind of infinity of data?