And when was the turning point then? Because you mentioned drama school as well.

Yeah.

So, um, it was probably my early teens.

Uh, I was starting to...

I was part of some, uh, theater amateur dramatics clubs that I used to go to, and I started getting good roles, um, in the shows, um, so I started enjoying that a bit more.

And the more I performed, the more, um, my teachers would encourage me to, to, to, to do it really.

So I did, um...

... loved, and you're like, "I'll just do that"?

Mm-hmm.

And the more I did it, the more I s- I enjoyed it, and, and, um, it became something that I was really excited to do.

So as, so as I got older into my teens, I started doing, um, uh, more drama at school, GCSE, all that kind of stuff.

And, um, there were, at the time when I was growing up, there were lots of, um, sort of schemes, um, to encourage young people to get into Shakespeare, and th- th- there were, um, we used to do 45-minute, um, truncated versions of Shakespeare plays, um, when I was in secondary school, which was always fun.

And, um, it was an opportunity to, to, to meet people who had similar interests and, um, make friends and, yeah, it was just something that was a fun hobby to do outside of school, really.

Um, and then when it came to my A levels and thinking about what I was gonna do at university, it was never really a- an option for me.

And, like, I'd always wanted to go and do law at university, and I, I got into, to, to, to study law at uni.

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