But I'm interested to hear from your perspective as a person looking in on Australia, what did you notice or what's your opinion about how things are here in terms of race probably mostly and what we're aware of and what we're unaware of?

So I think a thing that I touched on in the book kind of throughout is Australia's of fascination looking out toward America and looking at our issues with race relations, with civil rights, especially with the Black Lives Matter movement, and with, you know, all the interesting things that come out of America at any given time, including now, of course, the Trump administration, but not doing enough looking inward to see well, we have these similar problems here in Australia, and we still have a long way to go in terms of being a multicultural society.

We have our own Black and Indigenous population here, which have been desecrated.

And there are issues here that need just as much attention as you pay to the issues in the US.

And so I think that there is a definite sort of blind spot and almost a kind of brushing off of like, you know, racism is an American problem.

We've solved it here in Australia.

We're multicultural.

I'd love to hear you, your views on community and fatherhood and how you bring, well, how you're approaching that.

And I'm curious about what it was about those two moments in time that you felt anchored your story.

Yeah.

So with Obama's second term, leaving the States, we thought we left it in good hands.

We thought we had done our civic duty.

We voted.

In the book, I talk about how my wife volunteered for the Obama campaign and went door to door knocking.

And so- What I was, uh, wanting to do with, with that particular, uh, point in history is to kinda lay the, the groundwork of, of where we were at politically and where we were, I guess, from a point of motivation in terms of moving out of the US.

Can you talk a little bit about that setting?