I

think black and white are so neutral that I don't think they're going to go.

I mean, I shouldn't say they're not going to go anywhere, but, like, I mean, they've been putting in white kitchens forever.

And, you know, black is still – it's popular.

But we're seeing so much, and I mean, thank God for the HGTVs and the houses and the Pinterest and the Google.

They're able to, I mean, yeah, there's just a ton of like that neutral, not super dark, not incredibly light, but that medium, like rough, rift cut oak.

Yeah, I never really liked that bleached.

How are you and Ken working together?