you know, it sounds like, like what made you decide to take kind of pivot from the easy, you know, just doing part of, you know, the pen test to handling, you know, everything and starting your own company.

Yeah, I've always had a strong interest in entrepreneurship.

So I have a few different degrees.

I have too many things I'm interested in, but I have a degree in business.

I have a degree in cybersecurity and I have a master's degree in divinity, which means I spent three years academically studying like theology and philosophy and history, things that most people are bored by, but I'm fascinated by them.

So I've always had an interest in entrepreneurship, business ownership, even going back to high school.

Like I used to, this microphone that I have here, way back when I was super broke, I had a bunch of side gigs.

What are some of the first tools that you unfold on the corporate network to start, you know, getting your foothold into things? Yeah.

But for those who don't know, why did you do that?

So it's always kind of been my plan from the beginning.

So if you would have asked me when I was first getting in-- Well, I've been in IT for a long time.

So I've been in IT in some form or capacity for, like, 10 years, but it was always kind of a side gig in order to pay bills.

But when I went to really doing it full time when I was done with ministry, I even told my wife, like, my long-term plan is I want to start my own company in some shape or form, 'cause I've always been entrepreneurial, even back, like, in high school.

And then most of my, like, career in ministry, it was similar.

I was basically self-employed, didn't have really bosses or supervisors above me.

Can you explain that?