... would interact with on a daily basis?

Yeah.

No, that, that is a good question because we kind of just think of the inside of a planet as this big, maybe molten or uniform sphere that's just doing some stuff, but the surface is most important.

And, you know, in a lot of ways, whenever you think about the surface, of course, it is going to be the most important for interaction with life.

But an analogy I like is that, just to put into context the scale, that if the Earth were the size of an apple, the crust, you know, that, that bit that we live on, is roughly analogous to the skin of the apple.

It's about the same relative thickness.

So there's a huge amount of that, of the rest of it.

Yeah.

And how did you approach, how did you think about your character needing to be both menacing and sympathetic?

Yeah.

Well, that was actually what drew me to this project and this role for sure was that, you know, I think like we're talking about a second ago is that it's easy for it to feel like this kind of a story can become a one-dimensional thing, even like what you're saying about being in control, it kind of swaps, it's kind of a dance throughout the whole movie between Michael and Martha where it seems like he's in control because he's got the gun and he's got, you know, the physical, you know, menacing presence but you know, intellectually, a lot of times Martha kind of takes over that control but it drew me to it because this wasn't... it's easy...

I think it's easy for this character to fall into the trap or trope of this evil person who is just an awful guy and deserves the worst punishments imaginable, you know, and The way it's written and the way that working with it with Tracy and the way that I kind of approached it was this is a guy who he's been in this system since a very young age.

He's never really had proper role models.

He's never had been really shown love from anybody.

What about you, Tyler?

During filming, I definitely was, I told Tracy this actually, there was a couple of nights that I was sleeping and I, like, I woke up and I could have sworn I had heard somebody, like, trying to get in through my back door and, like, it felt so, so real and I remember laying in bed and thinking, what do I do right now? There was one night that it was, like, it felt very real even to the point, I think my mind was playing tricks on me because of the circumstances and everything and I'm diving deep into this world or whatever but...

And how did you, like, how did you approach, you know, how did you think about your character needing to be both menacing and sympathetic?

Yeah.

Well, that was actually what drew me to this project and this role for sure was that, you know, I think like we're talking about a second ago is that it's easy for it to feel like this kind of a story can become a one-dimensional thing, even like what you're saying about being in control, it kind of swaps, it's kind of a dance throughout the whole movie between Michael and Martha where it seems like he's in control because he's got the gun and he's got, you know, the physical, you know, menacing presence but you know, intellectually, a lot of times Martha kind of takes over that control but it drew me to it because this wasn't... it's easy...

I think it's easy for this character to fall into the trap or trope of this evil person who is just an awful guy and deserves the worst punishments imaginable, you know, and The way it's written and the way that working with it with Tracy and the way that I kind of approached it was this is a guy who he's been in this system since a very young age.

He's never really had proper role models.

He's never had been really shown love from anybody.

What about you, Tyler?

During filming, I definitely was, I told Tracy this actually, there was a couple of nights that I was sleeping and I, like, I woke up and I could have sworn I had heard somebody, like, trying to get in through my back door and, like, it felt so, so real and I remember laying in bed thinking what if I do right now there was one night that it was like it felt very real even to the point I think my mind was playing tricks on me because of the circumstances and everything and I'm diving deep into this world whatever but I could have sworn I had seen a shadow like across my door it was open and I was like somebody's in my house right now and I literally was in bed and I was like do I pretend to keep sleeping or Do I get up and rush the door right now? Like, what do I do?" I ultimately chose rushing and saw no one was there and I was like, whoa and it really messed me up.

Mm-hmm.

But, um, it drew me to it because this wasn't...

It's easy, I think it's easy for this character to fall into the trap or trope of this evil person who is just a, an awful guy and deserves the, the worst punishments imaginable, you know? And the way it's written and the way that, you know, working with it with Tracy and the way that I, like, I kind of approached it was, was, you know, this is a guy who, you know, he's been in the system since a very young age.

Mm

... second chances, about rehabilitation, and things like that, you know.

I actually was able to, to connect with this in a way because when I was 16, unfortunately, I did go into the juvenile detention, uh, system for, um, a f- a fist fight that I got into and, and it was a whole thing.

I won't get into that, but I experienced firsthand what that looks like.

And there was a guy in, there was a guy who was in the system with me that I had met, that he was charged...