Can you kind of give us a day in the life of a director like what are you doing every day with trails within our department.

Yeah, sure.

As you could probably guess, there is no typical day.

And it's fascinating work.

I love working for the city because it's public service.

And I think that's a really late in my career.

And it's been really rewarding to be in public service.

yeah yeah and so then right now which of your spaces like in trails and natural lands do you kind of think are having like the biggest issues with people picking up their poop their dog poop