In the world of alumni associations around the country, which Southern Miss is always a big part of that, what's the biggest challenge nowadays? How is it different than it would have been five or ten years ago? What's the challenge now to run a successful alumni association?

Well, you know, John, in the past, I tell you that engagement, as people would call it nowadays, was kind of chalked up to, hey, come to this event.

You're now an engaged alum.

Pay your membership dues.

You're an engaged alum.

And as you kind of watch how.

even job markets have grown in larger cities and people are kind of moving away.

Talk about some of the new folks who have joined your team here at the Alumni Association.