And so it is much easier for them to be consumed by alcohol, right? And so more so when we speak about those who are discouraged job seekers who are not even looking and have just resigned themselves to their situations, you've got young people who are incredibly distracted and so what are you hearing about from young people number one how do you create agency number two when some of the situations are just so so dire

well dude i would give an example of like a first-hand experience while not a first-hand experience from my side but a phenomenon that happened not so long ago where a certain coffee shop was looking for two barristers And then young people flocked in their numbers just for two positions.

So it's quite a dire situation.

The youth is not despondent.

And we have to understand that the youth or the young people don't lack potential.

They lack access and exposure.

We have young people looking for employment while some industries are struggling to find technical skills that they need.

I guess maybe as we close up the conversation, your message to young people, not only of South Africa, but young people of this continent of Africa.