When you did that work on understanding your value, was that a piece of work that you did? And if so, how did you go about it?

No, not a piece of work I did.

I was fortunate that I came into financial advice in my mid-30s.

So I had built up my values sort of accidentally, sort of not.

I mean, my mum was always kind of a hippie.

Now looking back, I go, yes, actually, we are quite alike.

She was a very outspoken advocate for breastfeeding and for women's rights and those sorts of things.

How did you move to make the decision that you're going to move away from traditional holistic advice into the life insurance advice that you're doing now?

... give us a bit of an intro, a bit of background to you, how you got into doing insurance, um, and yeah, just a bit about who you are for your first time on the podcast.

I absolutely can.

Look, I am Trish.

I live in Canberra.

I have three kids.

None of them are babies anymore, so that is wonderful.

Um, I still have sleepless nights though, frankly.

[laughs] Yes.