All of it is fascinating, but let's start out with how you got, really how you began in the world of costumes.

Sure.

Um, yeah, really it's, it's the only job I had...

Well, now I'm teaching more and running a conference [laughs].

But, uh, for most of my adult life and career was, it's either been making costumes or working for shows, um, big theatrical productions.

So I k- I kinda got into it because when I was in high school, I mean, I've been sewing for most of my life.

I learned from my grandmas.

Mm-hmm.