Did that affect you mentally at that age growing up? Did you feel that?

Yeah, it worried me because of what I wanted to do.

And everyone used to say I was too small.

And I thought, shit, am I ever going to grow? But I think at the end of the day, it did me a favour because...

I was playing football for Brentwood eventually in the late 70s.

I used to get clubs from the old Ispian League, like Hendon and Enfield, phoned me up every week to sign, said, look, we want to come and play for us.

We'll give you like 50 quid a week, which at the time was a decent money, and we'll give you 50 quid a week and a job in the primp.

But you, so you're, when you were having those, was it all the training done at Portman Road at the time? So you were in and around Portman Road for a long, long time before you broke through into the first team?