What have you found to be helpful in working with people who are discovering their purpose, discovering meaning in their life? I'm just thinking that might be a helpful thing for people listening in of rediscovering purpose in the later years of life, so to say.

Thank you for speaking so carefully about aid.

I find, you know, I think that when purpose has been exclusively rooted in job, retirement comes as a massive crisis.

So if I can have, and I know I have to be so careful here because there are literally thousands of people who simply want a job.

And so even talking about purpose, it may sound a little bit, well, it's okay for you to talk about purpose, Trevor, because you had a job So again, I want to walk very carefully here.

A job is critical and wanting to somehow be part of a society that creates more and more jobs.

For me, I really want that and want to be part of such a society.

I always end with a question and that is, where are you finding hope and joy in this moment? And I think as someone who is seeking to enjoy life more, where is it that you are finding that in the moment?