So then did you go out on your own as soon as you completed your apprenticeship? No,

then when I was a great 20-year-old, I started when I was 16, the company I was with had won a big contract in New Guinea, but that's when Indonesia was going to take over New Guinea and they were building army camps and they had a big contract in Ley and they sent a few apprentices up to Ley in 1966.

And I went for one year, no fly in, fly out, stay a year, totally different, right, toughened you up.

And then I went and then I liked it so I stayed longer and I went to do a war for them in Rabaul and then ended up in a copper mine at Bougainville and actually stayed there five years in New Guinea.

Wow.

Right.

Okay.

being impacted by the taxes and importing? No, it