Who's training you at the moment or are you working closely with your brother Shane there in developing your plan and hopefully hitting Dublin in top form?

Yeah, I train myself most of the time.

John Lettingham comes over for now and again and for a day or two here and there and helps myself and my wife Caroline.

he's very helpful generally yeah obviously Shane my brother we bounce ideas off each other all the time And it's a good way to be.

It's very healthy.

But I'm also quite stubborn in my own ways.

I do listen to people, but at the end of the day, I'm a firm believer in that I know my horses best and other people know their horses best.

Did you ever think that you'd be riding at the very top five star level or was there ever a time that you said, I'm going to go back and continue that particular career?