Did you feel you were taking a backward step? And even before that, just explain that story and what actually happened.

TIG was born out of the fact that we were losing work in the demo company to to builders who would just undercut the demolition quote in order to just get that moving, if that makes sense.

And, you know, again, we were in rubbish removal.

I wanted to keep it simple.

But Tyrone is just, was always so much more ambitious than I was.

And it was like, he could see what, what skillset I had.

And he would say, man, let's just get into demo.

Was there a driver beyond just sounds like it could be the magic bullet I've been looking for or was it literally I'll give everything a shot and one of these things surely has to work because they all sound like they make sense?