Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

And whenever I first got into HR and I'd see someone that I had worked with or had worked for me in my previous life, they'd go, wait, you're in HR? Because I was always an antagonist.

Yeah.

But there was something that I realized probably six or seven months in, and it was working on a job hunt for this particular executive.

I was asking him questions that were not your typical recruiter questions.

So we were looking for a lender.

Where do I start? Where do I start to reinvent myself in this moment? Because I personally worry about all these late in career professionals that are struggling with the transition away corporate life sometimes into entrepreneurial life and that sort of thing but i know a lot of people listening to this might be thinking to themselves hey i've got to really not just transform my mindset but i've got to rebuild a career also in this moment what what advice do you have for people that are maybe in that position

Awesome.

Yeah, so I am the least practical HR person.

I did not go to school for HR until I actually thought I was going to be a banker, put myself through school working full-time as a banker, majored in marketing, minored in statistics and finance.

I love data.

I always believed that like data told a story.

And so, you know, in banking, a lot of what I did was meeting with commercial clients, you know, high net worth and kind of looking at their data, which was the financials to try and understand, okay, you know, to be able to measure risk.

And in 2008, Four.

you there.

And I'm curious, from what you're seeing here, are we genuinely seeing the first rung of the career ladder disappear or is it evolving to something different? What are you seeing?

Yeah, I think we're kind of in the middle of something.

So is there data that we can look at and say one-to-one that AI is taking these entry-level jobs? I have yet to see data that kind of proves that.

There is some regulation out there.

I think the AI Jobs Clarity Act here in the U.S. is attempting to do that, but it's been sitting on Congress for about a year.

But Without that, and I'm putting on my banker and my HR experience hat on, I think what we're really seeing is a reallocation of capital.

If you look at a lot of the things that entry-level jobs do, the perception is it's very... uh ripe for automation it's very ripe for ai so i think that what's happening is that rather than investing in the bodies they're investing in ai infrastructure to be able to meet some of the demands you know the earnings calls if you listen to them now it's roi on ai is one of the most popular topics so i think that's kind of what we're seeing a little bit more than ai going in and just gobbling up the jobs now The problem that we're having now started years ago.

So what does this tell us about the skills that remain valuable in an AI-driven economy?