So now you are already very familiar with these worlds because as I already hinted to at the beginning, you had had your own experiences and I would, I would love to hear about those tree of whatever it is that you would like to share with us.

Oh, thanks Joe.

Yeah.

I mean, the reason why I'm into all of this, um, strange and wonderful and weird stuff is because of childhood experiences.

And so for me, it's been a lifetime of, of wanting to understand why they happen.

So one of my, you know, first experiences as a child is that I have a really deep memory recall.

So I remember like being in my nappy, like a baby, like a diaper.

mentioned orbs there and I wonder if you'd kind of seen any what you would perceive or you know see as otherworldly beings

And then so where are you sending it? Is it a loop?

Yeah, that's really interesting.

I think it really depends on the artist, because some artists really do channel the divine.

I mean, think of Alex Gray, I think of like, you know, the, you know, Hilma af Klint, like, at least, like, really, there is a process is like a considered process, that, that they are channeling something a little bit beyond channeling the divine, but then you have like, then you have artists who are selling products for Nike or for Tesco.

So that's not really channeling the divine.

Maybe it is, but I don't know.

Maybe I'm not to be the judge of that.

How about you, Tree? Do you believe in, like, what do you believe? How do you believe?

... exceptions to the rule, but ...

It tracks, and that's interesting what you say about like a load of deaths around you because I basically had these uncanny synchronicities all my life, really initiated as a teenager, where I had a lot of friends who, who were dying or their parents were.

And, but I was really there for those situations, like without fear.

And then these crazy episodes which have been following my whole life, where I'm out and about in public, and I'm the person who is there when someone's run over by a car, someone is thrown off their bike, um, somebody has, uh, fainted on the escalator and, or fallen down the stairs, and they're like, literally I'm, I'm the first there.

And it got to the point where it happened so much, my friends and my partner, uh, pointing it out, like every time we go out, something ...

Like, you know, I started getting this complex like I was sort of like, um, you know, Grim Reaper or something, [laughs] that I was making it happen.

But the, the, the ...

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