What was that transition? I had just turned 25, so this was 2009, so

we're coming out of the Great Recession.

I was so interested in real estate, but obviously at 25, you're kind of fresh out of school, probably don't have a lot of capital, like you're trying to find an opportunity.

And my dad and I went through a mentorship program with a local guy in Denver.

His name was John Fisher.

He unfortunately passed.

And so we were kind of doing it, I would say, as a hobby, and that changed our mindset to do it as a business.

Who is your hero?