Yeah, how does your influence, how has it felt?

Well, I look at, uh...

Yeah, I think reading, uh, Captain Class was a little pretty formative for me and my view of, of culture in that, you know, as coaches, you, you can build something, but really what you have to build is an environment in which the athletes feel are empowered enough to hold each other accountable, too.

Because it's, it's a lot more powerful when you create that, and, and that starts from the ground up, where you need to have somehow fals- foster an environment where everyone's competitive, working towards the same goal, while understanding that in some ways, making the lineup's a zero-sum game.

If you got two blockers and you got one spot left, you being more successful than me is taking my spot away, but we're all pledging towards working towards the same goal, which is winning a national championship.

And so it's been...

I think last year we had a little bit more trouble with that than we have this year, where our leaders have-- they've stepped up a lot, and it's been really fun to see our players sort of hold each other accountable in a really healthy way.

And I think, again, if, if it's something that they graduate and take with them to just be better listeners and to understand others more, I think it's, uh, pretty powerful.

Like, how's, how has that been?

It's a little bit of both.

Um, where...

Like, I, I like experimenting with, and just kind of trying stuff.

That's just always the way I've learned, and so when it comes to practice drills, I'm like: Hey, I just thought of this on a walk this morning.

You guys up to try it? And they're usually pretty into try it, 'cause for the most stuff, like the ecological drills we try to do are, are game-based and pretty fun, even if sometimes, like, they're asking you to do some, uh, weird stuff, like you've got to do this with one hand or, or whatever.

But, um, I think with how well we developed last year, um, just trying different stuff like that, we've all felt more comfortable just sort of experimenting and, and trying different drills.

Mm.