Talk to us a little bit about, you know, Coach Baylors and this conversation and what, uh, this ultimately ended up being.

Yeah, so, um, you know, redshirted in 2007.

Coach Morris leaves Baylor, Coach Rhule comes in.

Redshirt freshman year, um, I kinda just viewed it as I'm still trying to figure out where I belong in this place.

We're learning a new coaching staff, this, that, and the other.

Uh, spring of 2009, going into my redshirt sophomore year, um, you know, I had some pretty honest conversations with my position coach, Dino Baylors, and it was, you know, "You need to f- you need to find a way to add value." You know, obviously in the recruiting world, they're always trying to bring in better talent, right? You're trying to improve your roster.

And knowing that I was a guy that was paying my way, nobody r- I, I hadn't been recruited by these guys.

Let's talk a little bit about how the opportunity popped up, what you did to pursue it, maybe a little bit about the interview process, and then ultimately what led to you saying yes to this program.

[chuckles]

Because he is, he is the most important.

That, that position is the most important.

I truly, without a shadow of a doubt, believe that.

When I, when I took this job The first phone call I made when I thought I was gonna have the opportunity to get it was to our defensive coordinator.

We had had conversations that I told him, "I'm not going anywhere unless you're coming with me.

Like, I'm not taking another head job unless you're gonna come be my DC." Because we're, he has young kids, I have young kids.

Mm-hmm.