Explain a little bit more about that whole thing.

Yeah, so I think I was 39 at the time.

So I had probably, I don't know, 15 years in industry.

I was with a couple engineering firms, turned IT guy around end of 1990s, right? Kind of got in IT doing consulting, ran a couple consultancies, got into managed services, right? which was also very IT related.

And I was just at a point where I was kind of feeling restless in my career.

I kind of was going back into like 20, 30 person companies, helping them grow to hundreds, thousands.

And then, I don't know, there's something about when a company gets to like several hundred into the thousands where I just can't do it.

So I think you needed to hire some granny somewhere who was a biker or something.