Have you dabbled in like substances to help your help your creative process?

Yeah, I think I mean, my the much I learned was write drunk, edit sober, which is maybe where you went wrong.

yeah i mean i think that's a lot of um there's like truth to i try to like unblock and i think um you know drinking in particular but whatever some substance substances are one way people use to unblock and like that little editor in your head that's like this is garbage you know you're just like shut up you get the thing out yeah you like do the thing and then you're like well i re you know it it it lubricates the process in that way um but the artist it's actually funny you mentioned that because that's literally the author's backstory is she was a hollywood screenwriter like hard charging heavy drinking like and then she got sober and she was really worried she wouldn't be able to create

Because I was like, Trump didn't write that because it's brilliant.

Right.

OK. That's like part of the like the sort of gymnastics around it because he calls it a poem.

These lyrics from a song that a soul singer, Oscar Brown Jr.

It was the sort of progressive like in a activist artist and singer playwright in the 60s.