so okay so you said you don't do much engineering anymore so what do you do then

Yeah, more policy-driven things with cities and with state-level government issues.

I do get involved on projects quite a bit, actually.

Usually when they're stuck at City Hall or stuck in some policy issue where we got to make a phone call and kind of get a meeting and solve some problems.

I get involved on projects on the very front end.

So mainly on the entitlement side.

So usually the zoning and planning strategy for setting up a property for development, usually way on the front end of due diligence before a client buys or develops a project.

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