One of the things that I've been told anyway, and I believe it to be true, is that that permethrin as a product is basically non-toxic to humans, right? Or to animals as well.

Yep.

It's like I said, it's... it's a synthetic version of the chrysanthemum flowers one, but it needs something to bond with.

So you have nothing on your skin for it to bond with.

So it's not necessarily that it's dangerous to your skin.

It's more so that it's going to be not effective.

And that's why it bonds with the fabric fibers or your clothing.

a couple questions and I know you know we're not here to give medical advice per se but like the maybe myths to be dispelled like I've heard that if the if the tick hasn't been embedded for it has to be embedded for a certain duration of time in order to transmit disease is that true

Um, what's, what's driving the explosion of the tick population now? What, what seems to be, like, kinda your best g- I mean, you probably don't have the scientific numbers in front of you, but what do you think's driving those numbers?

Yeah.

I mean, so again, going back to the urban sprawl, there's, uh, um, way more mice that are, um, getting ticks on them, and then eventually they get to the deer.

And, uh, um, um, they're, um, [coughs] surviving at elevations and temperatures that they previously didn't, so there's actually a lot more tick research going on now that we are seeing the unprecedented rise in tick-borne diseases.

So we actually will know more as more and more of this research comes out.

Um, but, um, yeah, there's just less, uh, uh, tick population control.

And as they like to find a, um, a, a blood meal, someone to feed off of and latch on for forever, they, they give off pheromones.

I need some more, and let's apply it to some different fabric." So Travis, kinda walk us through what you had in mind.

There's all this.

So, I mean, we can make a formula for you.

That's not odorless.

Right.

It being odorless is not only part of the appeal for the military, but also for these hunters as well.

And that's part of the Sawyer difference is, you know, ours dries completely odorlessly and with our proprietary binders, it's not going to come out if you're in, you know, water crossings or if you're walking through the woods on a heavy, rainy, dewy morning, it's not going to come out.

What we like to tell people is it's like...

What's the best practice?

So compare

and contrast.

Sure.

Yeah.

No, I can speak to that.

I mean, so UV light technology was one of the popular technologies, but has kind of decreased in popularity.

Ceramic filters used to be another medium in which you could kind of physically barrier remove.

best place to purchase, find this stuff? Yeah.