And we, we, we who stutter by the way, are grateful, um, for, uh, what you're doing because we, we, we and i say we this peer group that i'm on we were all talking that it's really up to us to share and educate and there's so many covert stutters like myself that spent a lifetime hiding and running it not wanting to get not wanting to get bound out um and now i'm i'm trying to make up for it obviously at age 63 uh but i've been doing this now for for seven or eight years so so tell me when when did you decide was there like a moment a switch that happened

well i i for most of my life i i i I pretended to be shy because I was embarrassed about talking.

I rarely talked.

I chose jobs where there would be less talking.

I would also not work.

because I was afraid of talking, wouldn't meet people, wouldn't make friends.

It truly dictated my entire life.

Has there been any research on what, what impacts that 80%? Why 20% don't? And is there any early intervention that can be done there at that moment? Or is it self Ealing sort of.