So you, uh, you were in pain?

Yeah, yeah.

So my journey really started around the stem cells, so, uh, I was diagnosed, Jeff, probably in my, mm, probably early 20s, say 23 or 24 years old.

Uh, I was diagnosed with something called ulcerative colitis, which is an autoimmune disease, and boy, I suffered for years.

And I think, you know, if you go back that many years, right, if you go back, um, there were very traditional ways of treating, you know, treating the disease.

The thing about autoimmune, Jeff, is that there's no, there's no cure for an autoimmune, right? So the things that we get in modern medicine that people have been taking for years, right, are, are things that just sort of help mask and treat the symptoms, right? But unfortunately, there is no, there is no, um, uh, treatment that will make it go away as of today, right?

... you swear by?

Yeah.