that's tough So for you, what have your variety of athletes that you've coached over the years taught you about yourself as a leader that otherwise you don't think you would have known?

That is a great question.

Really, really good question because I think we talk a lot about the lessons that we hope our players learn from us.

And certainly there's a lot and you have the life experience.

Maybe, maybe not.

If everyone has their own background and life path journey, but not often do people talk about the lessons that we learn in return because I learn them every day.

Like I am just amazed and People ask what the best part about working at St. Olaf is, and it's our student athletes.

dinner, if you don't mind me asking?