And, um, next thing we knew, we were in, trying to find the next c- you know, co-creator who also had a production [laughs] background and a design background to basically pair with me.

So I was freelancing in kids TV, doing my own also little cutout animations.

I was just working at Reading Rainbow, and I was just networking around, and it was actually the late, great Janice Burgess who I met.

I got her name from somewhere, and I said, "Yeah, no, I really wanna do, you know, kids TV." I had my reel.

Um, how does that feel? Tracy?

Warm.

[laughs] It feels, like, a warm, like, just this warm, puppy, light, and just so happy.

Like, to, I feel like we did it, and it, it, j- just to know that we've impacted so many children along the way over the world, just, it just feels warm and delicious and happy.