... can you talk a little bit about how things have shifted in your practice?

Well, I mean, I mean, a- as you kind of inferred, there's sort of been, there seems like there's sort of three eras of hormone prescribing for peri- and post-menopausal women.

The first era was sort of everything up until 200 [sic] two.

And the primary reason for prescribing was to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease, and that was the primary indication.

And of course, that wasn't all that compelling at the time to me, because w- I felt like natural medicine does a very excellent job at reducing the risk of cardiovascular disease.

Um, then 2002 kind of...

So it was sort of, yes, it was recommended robustly, routinely, and then 2002, you know, kind of the, that world fell apart, and oh, my God, we're ... causing harm and therefore we shouldn't be prescribing it at all was sort of the vibe, um, because it's gonna cause this, this, that, and that.

Yeah.