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It was unfortunately for me a lot more traumatic, and the, kind of the conversion.

So, you know, for many years, Cynthia, I practiced as a board-certified plastic surgeon performing a ton of surgery.

And as you know, as surgeons, we take pride in the operations that we do.

And in general, the bigger and more complicated operations that you do, the better you feel as a surgeon.

So if you're a general surgeon, that operation that you long to do and to be successful at is the Whipple.

And this is a 10-hour massive cancer operation, uh, that if you're so lucky as a resident that you can scrub into a Whipple, then you really have made it.

... quite a few questions about it.

And when, when a surgery is botched, does the surgeon know that? I mean, what happened? What went wrong?

Well, oftentimes the surgeon, if it's, if it's due to poor technique, the problem is, is that surgeons sometimes have no idea why because it's their poor technique [laughs] and they're unaware that that's what causes it.

Uh, unfortunately right now, plastic surgery, as I mentioned, you know, it's the Wild West of medicine, not only overseas, but here in the United States it's the Wild West as well, where there are doctors who are performing plastic surgery who literally learn it On a weekend course.

You know, you have doctors who are ER doctors, who are family doctors, who are gynecologists.

They take weekend courses on breast augmentation, on tummy tucks, on facelifts, and then they perform these operations in their offices.

There actually is no law against doing that.

You can perform any procedure that you want on any patient if you're a physician, as long as they sign on the dotted line.

What about supplementation? Anything out there that you recommend?