But what's the angle that you take, Tony?

It's all about, I think, and many of your guests have spoken about this, it's about the curiosity.

Curiosity to learn, curiosity to absorb information, curiosity to be open-minded enough to understand that there's a lot of things we do not know.

And we don't know what we don't know, right? That's the thing.

So there's a lot of opportunities out there for you to learn.

And I think for me, there's always a baseline.

There's a baseline of what people should be able to grasp first.

But when that happens, moment actually comes and maybe you do say something you're either and you might be even shut down immediately or maybe some stern words are said afterwards about you know raising some some some conflict how do they then bounce back from that like you know that could you know that could be potentially hurt them had they bounced back from that that pushback that they might get