And how do we then entice people?

We need to look at what the barriers are at the minute.

Uh, whenever we went out and asked for public views on the vision and objectives of the plans back in 2023, um, we had around 24% of respondents s- told us that they want to cycle to work.

Whenever you added walking and public transport into that, around 66, 67% of respondents wanted to travel sustainably for work purposes in the, into Belfast City Center.

Um, and yet we have 50% of people are driving, another 5% are passengers in cars, uh, and we've only 1% of people cycling.

So it's looking at what the barriers are, and, uh, whenever you're, you're talking about active travel or cycling in particular, it's the lack of safe cycle infrastructure is probably the big barrier.

There are others, but that, that would be the main one.

And I think importantly, um, before people say, "Oh, you're just gonna get rid of all of the cars," cars will always be there for those journeys that are needed.