But what sparked the decision to leave that path and go into starting to build companies?

know it's funny it was uh it wasn't one thing it was kind of an annoying nagging thing for every year i was there i actually never knew even knew what the word entrepreneur was back then to be fair i knew when i was in college i had a buddy in college and um he had a little flea market set up he would import these brazilian goods his name's larry siegel and larry and i were friends and he's like hey come to the flea market with me I mean, I just loved it.

I know it sounds stupid, but I was like 18, 19 years old and it was just buying and selling, buying and selling, buying and selling.

And I remember coming out of that and he had this in him, like he had this juice in him about doing his own thing.

And I just started saying out loud stupid things like, yeah, I'm gonna own a business.

I'm gonna own a business.

I just kept saying that.

What advice would you give to founders that are preparing for succession or leadership transitions?