But for anyone who does not, maybe just tell us a little bit about life before beer, just some of the other jobs, uh, you had that led you to this moment to turning this passion into a profession, please.

Um, yeah, I mean, before this I was, you know, working in coffee for a long time, and other food stuff, and really just fell in love with home brewing while I was living in the Bay Area.

And, you know, had the entrepreneurial bug and moved back to New York City and-

Yeah.

I mean, I mean, I think New York City is, you know, we're a, we're a slightly different beast.

You know, it's like I know beer sales are down, you know, as an industry, and, and, and they may be in New York City as well, but what's not happening in New York City is people still go out.