Are you surprised by that?

I'm not, because I think I have a scintilla as well, and I really believe that you're not going to find...

See, franchise quarterback...

I think needs to be defined a little bit.

We were talking the other night, Michael Hawley was talking on DSD and said he's not a franchise quarterback.

Well, how do you define that? Because I don't think that he is a franchise quarterback is one you can build around and say, this is our guy.

We're not looking to supplant him.

Let's get somebody who accentuates that.

Are you surprised by that?

I'm not, because I think I have a scintilla as well, and I really believe that you're not gonna find... [sighs] See, franchise quarterback, I think needs to be defined a little bit.

We were talking the other night, Michael Holley was talking on, on DST and said he's, he's not a franchise quarterback.

Well, how do you define that? Because I don't think that he is...

A franchise quarterback is one you can build around and say, "This is our guy.

We're not looking to supplant him.

We're not looking to replace him." So that can be pretty wide.

Are you surprised by that?

Are you surprised by that?

I'm not, because I think I have a scintilla as well, and I really believe that you're not going to find...

See, franchise quarterback, I think, needs to be defined a little bit.

We were talking the other night.

Michael Hawley was talking on DST and said he's not a franchise quarterback.

Well, how do you define that? Because I don't think that he is a franchise quarterback is one you can build around and say, this is our guy.

We're not looking to supplant him.

Let's get somebody who accentuates that.

And then so since we have his answer, maybe not the whole thing, but just kind of a, a quick assess-

Franchise quarterback I think needs to be defined a little bit.

We were talking the other night, Michael Holley was talking on, on DST and said he's, he's not a franchise quarterback.

Well, how do you define that? Because I don't think that he is...

A franchise quarterback is one you can build around and say, "This is our guy.

Not looking to supplant him.

We're not looking to replace him." So that can be pretty wide.

All right.

Are you surprised by that?

I'm not, because I think I have a scintilla as well, and I really believe that you're not gonna find...

See, franchise quarterback I think needs to be defined a little bit.

We were talking the other night, Michael Holly was talking on, on BSD and said he's, he's not a franchise quarterback.

Well, how do you define that? Because I don't think that he is...

A franchise quarterback is one you can build around and say, "This is our guy.

We're not looking to supplant him.

Can I just follow up on that? I'm c- like, if it's, if he's not a franchise quarterback, and I, and I'm, I'm kinda with you on this, Tom, what, what do you think is the reason he's not? What is it that's holding him back from being that franchise quarterback? Is it, is it skill? Is, is it between the ears? What do you think would be-

Are you surprised by that?

I'm not, because I think I have a scintilla as well, and I really believe that you're not gonna find... [sighs] See, franchise quarterback I think needs to be defined a little bit.

We were talking the other night, Michael Holly was talking on, on DST and said he's, he's not a franchise quarterback.

Well, how do you define that? Because I don't think that he is...

A franchise quarterback is one you can build around and say, "This is our guy.

We're not looking to supplant him.

We're not looking to replace him." So that can be pretty wide.

Is it skill? Is, is it between the ears? What do you think would be-

What's going on with Drake and this Patriots offense in your

estimation? It's something that I think he will exit at some point.

I don't think it's really anything going on with the offense.

We talked about it the other day.

People are going to say, is it the receivers? Is it the blocking? Is it the scheme? Is it Josh? Is it Mike Vrabel's offseason? Is it Robert Kraft? It's just stupid decision-making.

It's Drake May.

It's 88% Drake May.

You need to get a bunch of plays first, and he knows that he's turned it over so many times, and it's more in his head now trying to make up for it than anything else?

Yeah.

And that's only something he can answer.

Um, but i- if you look back, and I did this on the Patriots Talk pod, 'cause I'm trying to figure out, because I really think that that first pick against Seattle where Dobbs was there on a second and nine on the 46-yard line, you're up 10 to three, Seattle doesn't have a pulse, and he just says, "Nah, I'm bored.

Huh, let's try this.

I'm gonna throw it into double coverage.

It's an arm punt, you know." And then he kinda cops to it after the game, saying that he, he, he wasn't patient, and that's something he talked about right before the first game of the playoffs against the Chargers.

And I have the sound on, on the podcast later, but he says, "You know, I can't get bored taking a profit." What are we talking about, this bored crap? I really think part of the problem is it came really easy for a while, and he got cowed into thinking it was really easy.

Do you think Drake May has resorted into excuse-making with the, the blood on the football, the shoulder stuff, which he is just breathing life into by not answering and just saying he's healthy? Do, do you think he's dabbling in excuse-making?

do you think is wrong with Drake May through these first two games? I

think the rhythm situation, I think it's certainly for him, we can look at a lot of the fundamentals.

I went through every throw that he had from Sunday's game, and I thought it looked worse on first view.

He started well.

He stayed in the pocket.

He climbed the pocket.

He had some completions, and then when he started to drift, And there weren't as many as I thought.

off what's the best way to get him back on track and especially knowing that you won't have aj brown for the next several weeks so like this sunday against jacksonville what are some of the things they can do to make them kind of revert back to the quarterback we saw most of last season

I think

he has a very busy brain right now, and I think a lot of it is related to the trickle-down effect of new guys in the offense.

And I know that there's guys he's experienced with, you know, Douglas and Hollins, but they spent a lot of their offseason centering what they were going to do with A.J. Brown, and when he moved aside, Romeo Dobbs was into a different spot that they hadn't really prepared for.

So that shouldn't upset the apple cart entirely and i don't think it will all season but as still perry and i spend time looking at some of the different plays and just say watch this watch this there's little things that i think uh defenses are forcing receivers to do that may looks at says okay he's doing that okay well it's a little late now and then there's also mistakes that he's making i talked to matt castle earlier today i'll have him on quick plan tonight And he said that that mistake on the linebacker interception last week was just entirely on May.

He just should have understood what was going to happen with the linebacker on that or diagnosed it when it happened and thrown underneath to the open receiver.

So it's myriad things, but I don't think anything.

I think the only remedy is time and reps.

I

I think

he has a very busy brain right now, and I think a lot of it is related to the trickle-down effect of new guys in the offense.

And I know that there's guys he's experienced with, you know, Douglas and Hollins, but they spent a lot of their offseason centering what they were going to do with A.J. Brown, and when he moved aside, Romeo Dobbs was into a different spot that they hadn't really prepared for.

So that shouldn't upset the apple cart entirely and i don't think it will all season but as still perry and i spend time looking at some of the different plays and just say watch this watch this there's little things that i think uh defenses are forcing receivers to do that may looks at says okay he's doing that okay well it's a little late now and then there's also mistakes that he's making i talked to matt castle earlier today i'll have him on quick play tonight And he said that that mistake on the linebacker interception last week was just entirely on May.

He just should have understood what was going to happen with the linebacker on that or diagnosed it when it happened and thrown underneath to the open receiver.

So it's myriad things, but I don't think anything.

I think the only remedy is time and reps.

But I'm just curious if you think this defense, is it fool's gold, middle of the mall, or is this sustainable, what you're seeing from the defense?

I

think he has a very busy brain right now, and I think a lot of it is related to the trickle-down effect of new guys in the offense.

And I know that there's guys he's experienced with, you know, Douglas and Hollins, but they spent a lot of their offseason centering what they were going to do with A.J. Brown, and when he moved aside, Romeo Dobbs was into a different spot that they hadn't really prepared for.

So that shouldn't upset the apple cart entirely, and I don't think it will all season.

But as Phil Perry and I spend time looking at some of the different plays and just say, watch this, watch this, there's little things that I think defenses are forcing receivers to do that May looks at and says, okay, he's doing that.

Okay, well, it's a little late now.

And then there's also mistakes that he's making.

But I'm just curious if you think this defense, is it fool's gold, middle of the mall, or is this sustainable, what you're seeing from the defense?

I think

he has a very busy brain right now, and I think a lot of it is related to the trickle-down effect of new guys in the offense.

And I know that there's guys he's experienced with, you know, Douglas and Hollins, but they spent a lot of their offseason centering what they were going to do with A.J. Brown, and when he moved aside, Romeo Dobbs was into a different spot that they hadn't really prepared for.

So that shouldn't upset the apple cart entirely, and I don't think it will all season.

But as Phil Perry and I spend time looking at some of the different plays and just say, watch this, watch this, there's little things that I think defenses are forcing receivers to do that May looks at and says, okay, he's doing that.

Okay, well, it's a little late now.

And then there's also mistakes that he's making.

But I'm just curious if you think this defense, is it fool's gold, middle of the mall, or is this sustainable, what you're seeing from the defense?

[laughs]

I think the rhythm situation, I think it, it, certainly for him, we can look at a lot of the fundamentals.

And I s- I went through every throw that he had from Sunday's game and, and I thought it, it looked worse on first view.

You know, he started well, he stayed in the pocket, he climbed the pocket, he had some completions.

And then when he started to drift, and there weren't as many as I thought, but just the ones that he had were glaring ones, um, that's when he got into a little bit of trouble.

Um, the pick, obviously, he drifted a little bit.

Uh, the walk into the sack with TJ Watt.

Hmm.

What did you make of the Ravens, the Bills, the Chiefs? Were you surprised by any of those teams and what they did in Week 1? I

think marrying up Kenneth Walker with Patrick Mahomes is just a masterstroke.

Now, we know running backs get hurt on a fairly regular basis, but that made a massive difference.

She-Rice looked really good in that game, and they're going to play such a putrid schedule this year because they went 6-11 that I would think that the Chiefs Despite last year's record and my dubious feelings as to whether or not they could again get back to where they were, they're kind of out the window already.

As for the Ravens, they're always unbelievable in September.

The Bengals, Houston, they remain teams that I'm like, I need a little more information.

I mean, you can't be as bad as C.J. Stroud was in the playoffs last year and be magically with a wave of the wand all fixed.

Can you expand on that with our audience, and how would that look this weekend?

What did you make of the Ravens, the Bills, the Chiefs? Were you surprised by any of those teams and what they did in Week 1? I

think marrying up Kenneth Walker with Patrick Mahomes is just a masterstroke.

Now, we know running backs get hurt on a fairly regular basis, but that made a massive difference.

She-Rice looked really good in that game, and they're going to play such a putrid schedule this year because they went 6-11 that I would think that the Chiefs Despite last year's record and my dubious feelings as to whether or not they could again get back to where they were, they're kind of out the window already.

As for the Ravens, they're always unbelievable in September.

The Bengals, Houston, they remain teams that I'm like, I need a little more information.

I mean, you can't be as bad as C.J. Stroud was in the playoffs last year and be magically with a wave of the wand all fixed.

What did you make of the Ravens, the Bills, the Chiefs? Were you surprised by any of those teams and what they did in Week 1? I

Can you talk some sense? Can you coach these guys up? They are misguided, and I know you are not.

The reason it isn't, and the reason I'm sure that Wiggy and Ted agree that it is, is that what they have coming up after them is two better teams than Pittsburgh.

So you're looking at 0-4.

Not where you want to be.

However, do that as it may, every other team that they're competing with, except for the Chiefs, has an absolute gauntlet.

So you don't want to go 0-4, but your season's not going to be lost.

You will be behind the eight ball.

Would you make it the Ravens, the Bills, the Chiefs? Were you surprised by any of those teams and what they did in Week 1? I

Can you talk some sense? Can you coach these guys up? They are misguided, and I know you are not.

The reason it isn't, and the reason I'm sure that Wiggy and Ted agree that it is, is that what they have coming up after them is two better teams than Pittsburgh.

So you're looking at 0-4.

Not where you want to be.

However, be that as it may, every other team that they're competing with, except for the Chiefs, has an absolute gauntlet.

So you don't want to go 0-4, but your season's not going to be lost.

You will be behind the eight ball.

Would you make it the Ravens, the Bills, the Chiefs? Were you surprised by any of those teams and what they did in Week 1? I

Can you talk some sense? Can you coach these guys up? They are misguided, and I know you are not.

The reason it isn't, and the reason I'm sure that Wiggy and Ted agree that it is, is that what they have coming up after them is two better teams than Pittsburgh.

So you're looking at 0-4.

Not where you want to be.

However, do that as it may, every other team that they're competing with, except for the Chiefs, has an absolute gauntlet.

So you don't want to go 0-4, but your season's not going to be lost.

You will be behind the eight ball.

Would you make it the Ravens, the Bills, the Chiefs? Were you surprised by any of those teams and what they did in Week 1?

Just your overall thoughts on the game plan from an offense standpoint.

Yeah, and I'm sitting there watching with Michael Hawley, and I didn't have an issue with it.

Here's the reason.

Not every – and you played the game, Ted, so I don't mean to – No, by all means, go for it.

I always have that as a caveat when speaking to somebody who played as much or any NFL football.

Sometimes I believe that a running game doesn't have to be productive to be effective.

Right.

Tom, what are you hearing about A.J. Brown, if anything, and if he's out for a while, what changes?

Just your overall thoughts on the game plan from an offense standpoint.

Yeah, and I'm sitting there watching with Michael Hawley, and I didn't have an issue with it.

Here's the reason.

Not every – and you played the game, Ted, so I don't mean to – No, by all means, go for it.

I always have that as a caveat when speaking to somebody who played as much or any NFL football.

Sometimes I believe that a running game doesn't have to be productive to be effective.

Right.

Just your overall thoughts on the game plan from an offense standpoint.

Just your overall thoughts on the game plan from an offense standpoint.

Yeah, and I'm sitting there watching with Michael Hawley, and I didn't have an issue with it.

Here's the reason.

Not every – and you played the game, Ted, so I don't mean to – No, by all means, go for it.

I always have that as a caveat when speaking to somebody who played as much or any NFL football.

Sometimes I believe that a running game doesn't have to be productive to be effective.

Right.

though.

Just your overall thoughts on the game plan from an offense standpoint.

Yeah, and I'm sitting there watching with Michael Hawley, and I didn't have an issue with it.

Here's the reason.

Not every – and you played the game, Ted, so I don't mean to – No, by all means, go for it.

I always have that as a caveat when speaking to somebody who played as much or any NFL football.

Sometimes I believe that a running game doesn't have to be productive to be effective.

Right.

Tom, what are you hearing about A.J. Brown, if anything, and if he's out for a while, what changes?

Just your overall thoughts on the game plan from an offense standpoint.

Yeah, and I'm sitting there watching with Michael Hawley, and I didn't have an issue with it.

Here's the reason.

Not every – and you played the game, Ted, so I don't mean to – No, by all means, go for it.

I always have that as a caveat when speaking to somebody who played as much or any NFL football.

Sometimes I believe that a running game doesn't have to be productive to be effective.

Right.

Do you think that Josh McDaniels should have known that? Or, like, you know, when you've got the Seattle Seahawks calling out all of these tells that the team is doing, is that something wrong with how he's been calling these games?

Mm-hmm

...

it had been quiet.

The Patriots had their offer out there, which had been more lucrative than Witherspoon.

It beat him on APY.

It beat him on, uh, guaranteed.

They beat him on cash flow years two through four.

Right.