Wow.

And I-- and finally when I said yes and said to the Lord, "What do I have to learn to do this?" Well, then that's when my education really started.

And I can go into a long thing, which way won't now, of what my process became that included the praying and, you know, then really kind of pastoring the people.

But one of the sayings I have with, you know, especially about a good song or leading worship, start on the floor at a home Bible study with an acoustic guitar.

Mm

... which is challenging, right? It's like running a Fortune 500 company.

That leader is humble.

He's strong.