How's that-

I so, I think everything has been...

I, I'll probably say everything was hard to all these [laughs] questions, but that was a real hard one, I reckon.

Um, especially starting young, working with mates, really good mates.

Um, that was tricky because when we're taking on more work, I was sort of not around so much, so then they thought I wasn't doing anything and, like, it was pretty hard to, um, manage.

Um, but then I think the biggest thing was sort of understanding that people are good at what they're good at, and then giving them a little bit of...

Well, not a little bit, giving them the opportunity to do their role properly, you know? And giving them trust and a big thing which Ryan taught me is, like, people wanna feel valued and wanna feel like they've got progression in business, not so much just a number on the wall.

How did you, how did you continue to s- hold your position doing that? How'd you do it, and how do you stay true to it?