If we can shift to your writing career, what's your background on that? Did you take any kind of screenwriting courses, playwriting courses? Do you enjoy the process of writing more than acting, acting more than writing? Or are they just apples and oranges?

It's funny.

I've always, when people say, what do you do? I always say, I say, act to write it.

I really love the process of acting.

I love being on set.

It's really interactive.

And obviously writing is more of a solitary game, but I do love writing.

What advice would you give to an aspiring writer or an aspiring actor?

I mean, largely, did most of these men end up just as a bit of fun, and that was it, and you never saw them again?

Yeah, well, actually, I think that was the sort of transition because David wasn't the first person that was someone meaningful.

But there were a few people.

There, there was someone I met in a, a sauna, actually, which was bizarre 'cause I went there just for, like, to explore this kind of slightly hedonistic ...

I, I mean, people who might not know about saunas in America, they're known as kind of gay bathhouses.

Here, they're gay saunas, and they're saunas and steam rooms, but they're basically a free-for-all and everyone has sex or, or, like, s- yeah, and voyeurs, it's kind of quite public.

And I went there on one occasion, and I was like, just to explore to see what it was like, and yeah, did some stuff.

You know, what, what would, what would you say to people literally who are just in this field of not really knowing what's happening, even when they get into their late 30s, if you know what I mean?