And so both at the foundation at, and at Bates College, as you work on these different projects, what have been your most, like, pivotal experiences or projects that helped you, like-... leapfrog or transition from, like, where you were to a next phase or a huge learning that helped you, like, "Oh, I can do things differently." Because one of the goals of this podcast is to leave the listeners with, if they're trying to implement sustainability strategy in their own organizations, l- leaving them with, like, lessons and, and key, like, ahas, uh, that might help them.

That's a great question.

I think one of the first major lessons I learned was my previous job was at a place called the Chewonki Foundation, which is in Maine, and, uh, it's a bunch of things, but e- essentially it's an education center.

So my job there was to work on the different renewable energy technologies, but also to teach about it to the students, and that was really, like you said, an aha moment when I, I realized that I, I had been teaching them in a sort of a classroom setting, like traditional kind of like teacher standing up front and, and lecturing and that sort of thing.

I remember brainstorming with a colleague and we thought, "What if we just scrapped the class in t- in its entirety-

Okay.

To folks that are just getting started or feeling overwhelmed, I would say it's nice to start with a quick win of a project.

What I did very early on was I just put in a few electric vehicle chargers.