Yeah.

You can get it, you can get it in large numbers.

You know, we only, we only embarked on the design of this in April, so we had...

You know, it was a very, very tight timescale.

But then into that sort of, um, matrix of grass- We've planted a lot of things that are drought tolerant.

So we're seeing a couple of species of origanum.

There's origanum livagans, the little one which is, uh, rotundifolium.

Mm.

[laughs]

And things like Melia azedarach.

You know, there is one, there's one Melia specimen in London.

It's, um, it's near, um, Burton's Court, um, where, where every... a lot of the show people park their cars for, for the Chelsea Flower Show, and every year at the show, I go and see it and admire it because it's normally coming into flower.

So, so we've got a lovely big Melia in the garden, um, which will be the second big Melia in London, I think.

Um, then we have a lot of Asiatic things, so it reflects more the planting in one part of the garden where we have perhaps more sculpture, and we have things like scheffleras, daphniphilums, trochodendrons, a r- lot of araliaceae, which have this sort of wonderful lush foliage effect, and things like pittosporums, myrtles.

So it's gonna be very textural and quite, and quite lush and bold, lots of melianthus.

... buddlejas.

Can you t- tell us more about the plants that you have here in the plant library?

The thing, the thing is laid out on a, on this gentle slope.

Um, the soil is very varied, and at the top it's slightly lighter, and at the bottom it's heavier.

And we've accentuated that so that, so that the top half of the garden is all planted through a layer of sand.

Most of the time that's about four to six inches, but in, in a little bit we call the plant library extension, it's nearly a foot deep.

Because it's quite a gritty sand, it does actually stay quite moist even in drought.

We never, ever water this top bit of the garden that's grown on sand, other than just immediately after we've planted.

So Tom, do you find clients sort of thinking about sustainability when they're asking you to design gardens?

Mm-hmm

... and working together.

And it'll open in, in spring next year, so sort of February time next year.

Started on site already.

And, um, it's an unusual garden to do at, at, at Tate.

I mean, this was something that, that Dame Vivien really wanted to do.

And the, the real challenge for it for me is that it's all retro designed, so everything we're doing in the garden is stuff that will go to Tate and, and be incorporated in the garden there.

Yes

Do you feel like that?

I think for me it's been, it's been, it's been one of the most profound things in my life that, that I lived...

I started living in this place when I was 26, which, um, had no trees on it.

It was an open field.

It was 50 acres of wheat.

And so every tree in that environment that you see, everything in that environment, you know, we planted.

And so at the same time as we started a family, we started a, an... started creating this environment.

Can you just tell me about how, how you see the link between physically getting your hands in the soil and feeling better about yourself and the world?