And, um, there's a lot of parallels in there for me with, with how I got into bird hunting and my mentor, but I'd love to, to hear, you know, from you, you know, how you, how you fell in love with bird hunting.

Well, you know, I appreciate your kind words there.

You know, bird hunting, I've always been a hunter.

I grew up, I'm a Westerner.

I grew up in Colorado.

I'm a third generation Coloradan.

And all my peers, you know, Golden, Colorado, home of Coors Beer is where I went to high school.

And when we're done, we're done.

But can you just, just before the war started, antebellum, what-- where-- Can you just set up how these crudes typically flowed, what went by pipeline over the, over the, the, the Arabian Peninsula, what didn't, and typically what the, what the grades are we're talking because that's vital, and kind of roughly speaking, where they went? And I know that's a big question.

It, you know, it's-- The Strait of Hormuz is not called a choke point for no reason.

Uh, it's a very narrow waterway through which an enormous quantity of physical oil passed.

Um, you know, the, the, the figures we, we generally talk are about seventeen million barrels, uh, per day, uh, of which the larger part would be crude oil, and it would be crude oil typically of a kind of medium sour quality.

Uh, so you-- it would yield quite a lot of sulfur.

And I know on the podcast you've talked about, uh, how sulfur markets are experiencing a similar, uh, problem, uh, to crude markets because, you know, of their, their role in producing fertilizers and things like that.

So medium sour crude, rich in distillate, rich in fuel oil, uh, coming out of the Strait of Hormuz, largely going to Asia.

But what's, you know, can you talk a little bit about, more about India? And perhaps between the two, is India more adversely affected by this than China?

So maybe you- if you wouldn't mind giving just a little bit of a, uh, uh, of your background and your experience, uh, with what we call UFOs.

Sure.

Um, my, uh...

I guess it starts with my mother, um, used to have a 1960s diner up in the Berkshires, and it wasn't too far from Sprague Electric, which ended up making the goodwill message that was left on the Moon and GE, and so on and so forth, and so they were primarily my mother's customers.

And so when we had our first sighting [clears throat] um, in, uh, 1967, it made the newspapers, and so that conversation started to, uh, be a topic within those customers- yeah, there it is- um, eating in our family's diner.

And of course, uh, you know, we...

Well, the Berkshires-- let me back up.

What do you think was actually happening?