And why the big gap between both releases? Is there anything specific? Was it job? Was it life? Was it just music just wasn't turning out the way you wanted to? I

mean, that one was all the way above.

Okay, so 2012 founded the band.

in December of 2012, me and Alex, and we just got together, started writing by January of 2014.

We were out on tour with Michael Shanker, right? So that, that was first touring experience for me.

First time touring in the U S and it was real, you know, uphill, you know, just learning.

And, uh, so we were pre-did the process and as, uh, Basically, we were going through writing that album.

If we've waited this long, we got to make sure that we're hitting this one out of the park.