Yeah.

So, yeah, no, thank you.

And I enjoyed the Radical Royal display, by the way.

It was a really nice trail and an event.

So the Nature Delusion book, I mean, essentially it starts off talking eyes open about the reality of our climate and nature crisis that we face.

I think the book is actually hopefully optimistic and is focused on solutions, but we also have to be realistic about the crisis that we face.

And so it starts off talking about, the pollution of our water, the loss of nature, et cetera.

um and in that context there's also an appropriation an appropriation of other landscapes of other environments of other ways of doing things i'm slightly concerned that there's a degree of appropriation going on in in a contemporary co-option of of different world views and perspectives so i just want to ask you how do we ensure that this isn't a sort of a process, another process of appropriation by a well-meaning scientific discourse or need and one that's global, that's inclusive, that brings other people along for the journey as well and doesn't overwrite or bulldoze their ideas.

In terms of moving towards those nature-centric systems of governance and worldview, I suppose, what kind of things would you implement

Yeah.

So I mean, I can say that, you know, if you think about how we've thought about species conservation, you know, in about 80s and 90s, I don't know if you remember the kind of WWF, save the tiger, save the whale campaigns.

So they were based on the intrinsic value of those species.

You know, the tiger's wonderful, let's save it.

And also the fact that, you know, the whale or the panda or the tiger are umbrella species.

If we can protect those, we protect all the little tiny moths and frogs that we don't even know exist at the moment.

Could you pick up on any of that kind of complexity?

How are you going to transform this Spiegel tent that you found in the middle of the paddock of nowhere in Augustella into a 1980s Aussie pub?

Well, you just put a keg of beer in the middle of the room and that does a lot of the heavy lifting.

But part of the beauty of this beagle tent specifically is that it was designed to look like an Aussie shearing shed.

So it's It's not your traditional Spiegel tent with the wood and the mirror and the drapes.

It's literally got tin and timber everywhere you look.

And we're going to bring in some special kind of costumes and set design.

And for me, I was watching ACDC perform when I went to the Edinburgh Fringe last year and I was like, this is an Aussie band selling out a stadium on the other side of the world.

Also, some people get freaked out by a lot of clowns.