[gentle music]

Honestly, it's this weird one-two punch that I experienced.

Like, it didn't feel like a one-two punch looking back on it.

It was consecutive, practically.

But that is to say, I quit the Squirrel Nut Zippers.

I had that whole experience with Squirrel Nut Zippers in the late '90s.

I quit in June of '99.