Yeah

... uh, right.

Right.

But it, you know, I just had thought it was a thing of the past, to be honest, and moved on.

Uh, you know, really it was, you know...

Most of my career was like convincing people that the internet was, uh, was viable enough to carry their enterprise traffic, right? And, and then, you know, convincing them to peel off, you know, from, you know, strictly MPLS to go hybrid and trust it.

You know, you can run voice over it and, and, uh, you know, that-- then we found that that was the truth, right? That, that, um, you know, the internet, um, service providers are using the same equipment, the same, you know, circuits a- as, you know, even private MPLS in, in r- in Metro.

Yeah.