Why do you think that is? Why are people gravitating to Terminalist?

I think, as Gabe was just saying, it's the Cinevision thing.

I think the quality of the show is more like movies.

It's a very high level of writing.

I also think that this kind of genre, this action-espionage genre, captures audiences, and especially if you've got characters at the core of it that Jack Carr created that people care about and they root for.

And I think the production value on top of that you know just adds even more so i think it ticks a lot of boxes for people for audiences these days you know there's a lot of shows out there that are made for a lot less but we're not trying to make one of those you know we're trying to make something that's that's a higher level and it's it should be a feature film quality so i think that's the that's the thing that draws people in i think

And Tom, is this the most physical role I think you've ever played?

Not the most physical.

Like, how did you get into fitness and fall in love with it? Because it was way before you were in Hollywood.

I'll take you way back to my youth.

I played a lot of team sports growing up.

I was very skinny as a team.

I played rugby and stuff.

I played football.

I played various sports in the UK.

I'm assuming you do plenty of Zone 2 as well.

How important and how much pressure do you feel to get that character right?

Well, interestingly, I was a big fan of Savage Son, the book that Rafe is quite prominent in.

So being a fan myself, I felt that pressure for myself, but also for the fans, you know, like the source material is so important.

So I told Jack, Carl and Chris when I first joined the show that I don't take it lightly to get that right.

So, yeah, fingers crossed they appreciate what I've done.

Yeah.

It's interesting because I

love that.

I mean, was he nonverbal from the get-go? Is this something that, like, developed at a certain point in his childhood? Or how did that happen?

So, me and my wife differ a little bit on this.

We...

She was saying that, uh...

he was always like a little bit different.

My memory of Freddie was that he was developing, you know, quite stereotypically, you know, he would do certain things that you'd expect kids of that age to do up to about 18 months, I would say.

And then after 18 months, there was this period where he became a little bit more distant and he was going to his daycare.

Like, when you watch somebody like Daniel Day-Lewis, who just puts in one transcendent, you know, performance after another, the Robert De Niro's these people like Meryl Streep they're just touched in a certain way and it could be charisma it could be just some ineffable intangible quality that they have and sometimes it's a it's a stage presence other times it's just a relationship with the camera that translates in a way that you know if you're on set you don't even see it until you actually watch the movie How does that work? When you see those people and you're like, how are they doing this? What is happening? How do I get a little piece of that?

What kind of conversations do you want it to start?

Yeah, exactly that, really.

You know, I th- I think people think sometimes that these, these guys who- Become Navy SEALs operators at the highest level, that they're kinda machines.

And actually, they're the most human you'll ever meet.

They are the most beautiful people, the most generous, giving, honest people, and have become some of my great friends now, and they'll do anything for me.

You know, they can't give enough.

And I, I want people to realize that these people that are out there doing that, they have families, they have lives, they have kids.

Yeah, it's a big deal.