And on that point, you know, without knowing specifically, but would you believe a study could be helpful in understanding how much the Older Americans Act program save Medicare and Medicaid every year?

I actually do think that's true.

You know, I think we are reaching a pretty critical point in all the so-called entitlements or mandatory programs and Medicare and Medicaid by far the most challenging.

Social Security is sort of.

You know, do you keep your word or not? And it's easy to predict.

It's a math problem.

How many people are turning eligible? How long will they live? How fast is the trust fund running out? And then there's a variety of interesting solutions.

But if the Senate came back with higher numbers, would you consider supporting that?

So, th- take, you know, w- what was it that, that when you were a, a young kid growing up in and around the influence of your folks and in this environment where you said, "You know what? I think I wanna go in this direction," or did you at that point?

Well, I did not.

I...

Look, I had a PhD in British history.

I was gonna be a college history professor.

Uh, but, uh, while I was in the pursuit of that, my mother had become a political activist.

Uh, she grew up in a Democratic, uh, family in a Democratic state, but as, uh, my dad was military, she moved around.

It's a complete nightmare.